Federal Agent to Self Employed | Peter McGeary | EP #1

Are you where you want to be? PJ quit his dream job to chase a random Twitter business plan. “Hey, chat, should I throw my life away and risk everything?”

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome, welcome. Uh, once my competition, then my teammate, my friend, my brother, the country, do boys, McCartney loving, soon-to-be husband, businessman, and uncle, Peter McGary, aka PJ. Here in the flesh, we're at his house right now. Ate some pizza, bullshitted for shit, a couple hours. Yeah. So here we are. We're gonna I don't ran out of things to talk about already.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

I know.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Uh, but R and R. That's my podcast. Ramble and Reflect. Ramble and here we are. We're doing the first podcast. And I guess my first question is, how you been?

SPEAKER_02 0:38

I've been great. But before before I answer that, dude, that was hell of an intro. Like I was expecting more, like a longer, a longer one. But like that was like more within less words. It was awesome. So yeah. I had to do it. I've been good. I'm happy, happy to have seen you twice now within the last two months, because before that it was probably what? Oh god, two years. Once in two years, yeah. Other than that, all is well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Hell yeah. Okay. So you are we're at your home.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

How old are you?

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Twenty-eight. Be uh be 29 in a couple months. Me too. Pushing 30.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Pushing 30, my boy. Uh, you know, you you are somebody that I met in high school. And I we kind of hit it off pretty much right away. And in the intro, I said competition. Because I remember when I when you first got to the team, you were you my position. I know. So coach came to me and was like, hey, yo, this is good competition. Like, watch out who you might take your spot. I was like, well, fuck this dude, you know? No way. And so then we became friends and kind of bonded, you know. And I think I'm excited to kind of get into that because we met in high school. Yeah, I mean, now that's 10 years ago, but don't even say that. Um but explain to me kind of where you were at that time in your life. Was soccer kind of the thing? What was going on when you moved, and where did you move from?

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Good, good question. I um I grew up in Redford my whole life, so that was that was all I knew. It was um it was fine for me. Elementary school, um, middle school. Then the area it changed a little bit. It got it, it wasn't always the best for the whole time I was living there. So my dad was a little bit concerned with my younger sister um and and raising her there for her adult life. So uh we moved my sophomore year of high school. Um and to tie into your question again, as far as soccer goes, I played soccer um at at Thurston, and I I only had my group of friends from when I grew up with four or five guys, and then the rest. I didn't really meet too many other friends in high school. At at Thurston, it was. Gotcha. Um But so soccer, I guess, was like my only was my only tie to high school. Other than that, I was it was just like a this was like a simple move. Of chore. Yeah, yeah. It was like I just gotta go. What were you thinking when you moved? I was so nervous. So nervous.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Telling you a new high school.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

What year was that? Like, was that freshman sophomore? What was that? I started I started Franklin, so the new high school junior year. Okay. So you came mid? Like it was just like the start, the start of junior year, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Yeah, yeah, because it was soccer season.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Yep. So I uh that was nice because I got to meet all the soccer guys before, thank God. Yeah, because if I had to walk in blind, yeah, it would have been terrible. Gotcha. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

So all your boys, you left them all to come to Franklin, yeah. But some of them were close by. I mean, Hunter went to Stevenson, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:31

Hunter went to Stevenson.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

No, it wasn't like too young, like it wasn't like you moved to a different country or something. Yeah, it was like kind of like nice still. You just had your boys.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Yep, and and Jack, Jack, one of our best friends, came came to Franklin too.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

So yeah. So then prior to let's jump back even a little bit more, like before that, where did you begin? Like, how do you what do you remember? What are some things that like back in the day, you know, before you met me, before you, you know, did you have these boys with you your whole life, or like was it like you and your family, you know, like what was that like? What how did that start?

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Also, also a good question. And I I've been friends with my original friend group basically since kindergarten, first grade, which is a blessing to be able to say, you know, not many people can say, you know, they've been friends for 20-something years. So that was always a good like core part of my life from as long as I've had a memory. But probably the biggest the biggest memory of myself and growing up before moving into a new school and soccer and stuff was skateboarding. So I skateboarded from time I was like, I don't know, Mr. Sheckler.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

Yeah, Ryan Shreckler, you know, I had the had the flow going. So um, other than that, that stopped once soccer really started. Okay, and then soccer kind of became a big part of who I was, and then also like my friends, you know. So that's how we met, that's how all you know, I met the other people. From yeah, different relationships. Yep, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Yeah. So like when you were growing up, you were in Redford majority of your life.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Right. So out there, you're saying that you moved for your sister mostly and kind of just being in a better area. Yep. And uh from that, I remember when I met you, your dad was always working, it seemed like he was always like doing something. Yep. And same thing with your mom. Your mom was always she seemed like she was around, but she was always working, doing something, stressed something. So talk about that. Talk talk to me about your your your how you were kind of raised and and how that kind of made you like, I don't know, like be able to get into it, or maybe it was was soccer, obviously was kind of like your safe place. So, like, what was that? How does that equal out?

SPEAKER_02 5:35

Yeah, so that's a a big I would say a big part of who I am today is is realizing I never knew it or at an early age, but like my parents were always working, and it was, you know, just just to make ends meet. So when you're five, six, seven, ten, twelve, thirteen, you don't really realize it, you know. You're just like they're just going to work and they're coming home, you know, and that's it. But like it was a blessing because I never I never realized it, you know, like all the holidays still happened, all the family events still happened and things like that. But once I got older, I think I started to realize, you know, there was some financial stress and and burden and conversations that I would overhear, you know, from my room that my parents, you know, maybe weren't gonna be able to pay a certain bill or something like that, or yeah, older vehicles, things like that. And that's a an early question in the podcast, but it's also a big piece of my motivation and and everything that is gonna channel into who I am today.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, and I think uh I think foreshadowing, I think that we're gonna get into that for sure. But yeah, I think that I think that that's a big part of like something that I noticed when I first met you was like when we first met, it was competition. Yeah, like I said, then we turned into friends, brothers, we got so close and we were just acting like idiots together. Yeah, uh, but I remember very much so your family. And I very I like they were always there or always and whether they were arguing or like just hanging out or whatever, like singing along to some song, you know, like when we're throwing it loud as hell, you know. I I think that in those moments it was like I could tell that they played a big role in your life. Always, and you're saying that you didn't really notice a lot of like as a kid, you know, like you don't really notice like oh the bills are like now I'm I'm you know 28 too, and it's like god dang, like yeah, where's my money going, dude? Exactly. I'm making more money than I ever thought I was gonna make, yeah, and it's gone. Like, I have less money than birthday carts from when I was 10. Literally, you know, and it's like so jumping to that, like your parents, uh did you ever notice that? What was the time that you started noticing the stressors, the the things that your parents were kind of maybe arguing about or maybe stressing about, or things when did you notice and and what was that moment for you?

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Hmm, that's a also a good question. I would I would probably say late high school years.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Um just because that's you know, you're I'm you're you're becoming a young person, young man at that point, and you can kind of understand what people are talking about, and you know what bills are, you know what you what vehicles people drive, you know. So noticing stuff like that is is not easy when you're younger, but as you get older it becomes apparent, and and then college I really started to understand, especially because so many people that I was in school with were talking about student loans and how to pay for school and and whatnot. So looking looking back, that's kind of what opened my eyes to everything because I didn't know um I didn't know that like how financial aid worked or anything of that sort. I was fortunate enough to have school paid for because if you get into U of M, they do this thing called the Michigan Promise, where if you make if your household brings in under a certain threshold, they pay for your tuition if you can get in. Okay. So looking back, I didn't know it then, but that's why it was paid for. Now it's like, wow, man, you know, without that, I I wouldn't win.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Yeah, but you know what is interesting about that is I think that's one of the key things that I also want to touch base on. I think that's one of the reasons why we're so close. Is I I I I remember, and it's kind of like you're saying, like, you notice things, but you don't really put two and two together until maybe later. Yeah, or maybe until something happens. And I can say that for me, I would be over at your house randomly. I I'm one of those people that kind of just like stop by.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Oh, I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

And so like I just knock and I'm like, hey, yeah, and you're like, oh fuck. I'm trying to study for a test or something, and you're like, you're like, oh, fucking pie is a year, you know? Or you hear my Mustang coming around the corner or whatever it was, and it was just like god dang. Okay, that was a fun time, you know, and it was fun, and we had our times, but I know that sometimes you're like, fuck, I gotta do I gotta do this and balance studying.

SPEAKER_02 9:52

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

You know, and it was always that, and and you were always studying, and you were always so I think for one, take a little credit. It's not just the Michigan promise, it's not just that, it's you busted your butt to get good grades. I mean I I'm pretty sure you got like an award or some shit in high school for it. So I that's a big deal. Yeah, coming from for me, like I I didn't I didn't care, I didn't really look at those things and go, that's what I want. And looking at it now, it probably would help some things, but give yourself some credit. Cool, you know what I'm saying? Because you you put yourself in that position to then be able to get that. True. You hit you hit the the marks, the requirements, right? And uh, so that's that's part of it. Thank you. You're right. It is, it is. So I don't know if you ever thought about that, but that's that's kind of part of it. Now, did you ever feel kind of like you were in that bracket of like not making enough money in your like household? And like if you did notice that, when did it did it ever affect you and how like you thought about things or did it give you motivation? What did what did that do to you?

SPEAKER_02 10:59

So yes, absolutely. It absolutely motivated me, but during like college, it didn't it didn't really set in until I knew more about finances because I was having my tuition paid for, and so you you get like a meal plan with that. So I I didn't need a job, yeah, theoretically in in college, you know. If I if I wanted like fun money, it was like from birthday cards or random stuff or whatever, but like towards the end of school when I started to think about like okay, now I have to get a job and pay for stuff and yada yada, that's when everything set in and and the transition between like not understanding to like really seeing, you know, like how my parents were struggling, that's when it set in, and I was like, all right, whatever I do, like I'm doing it like tenaciously, you know, like I'm not stopping. I need to be able to pay them back. And yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

So you're saying that like you realize, like kind of like at the end of the path in college, and you're like, you know, like you're you're doing everything, you're you're doing the thing, you're you're getting the grades, you're doing it. What did you go to school for?

SPEAKER_02 12:02

So when I started school, and this is this might be the same with a lot of people from harder financial backgrounds, but I just went into school kind of with a bad mindset of what makes the most money.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

I'm gonna go into that field. So I was like, all right, I'm gonna be a doctor. That's all I knew. So I was doing pre-med classes, whatever, and then I realized I hated it. And then like two years later, I was like, eh, I'll just be a dentist because I make a lot of money too. And I just jumped around between like this makes a lot of money, this makes a lot of money. Eventually I got to the point where I realized, well, I kind of like law enforcement, you know, you can use your brain, it's like a cat and mouse game, it's it's fun, you know. So I always had a poll to like do something of that sort. So I just made I majored in Spanish and crime and justice as a minor.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Um, definitely not the typical Michigan uh education that people would would go for, but it it served me well in what it led to.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Okay. I I wanna jump a little bit. Uh you then so like prior to Michigan, you were playing soccer, studying a lot, hanging out with your boys, doing whatever.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

At what point did you like, was there like an aspiration or a dream when you were a kid? Like, I could tell you for me, I I'm I always wrote things down and spelled it wrong. I was the worst speller, but I would like you know, I still have a notebook from back in the day where it's like, what do I want to be? And it's like top ten things. Oh no way, okay. You know what I'm saying? And so like I look at that and I'm like, it might be cheesy or corny or whatever, but like I I can see that and be like, I went after that. Yeah, you know, like that's oh I know you did. That's kind of cool. Yeah, you know, and so like is there something for you like that? Or like like is there maybe not a journal, or maybe it was like you had a poster on your wall and you're like, I want to be like, you know, whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Of course that, but I would probably say like the whole the whole FBI agent like was was kind of like what I was motivated to do. I didn't know anything about law enforcement or what other stuff there was, but I just knew it was like we don't as kids. Yeah, you really don't. I there's two more, I know, yeah. Um, or too much, sorry, but the FBI I knew it was like the top dog. Yeah, and I wanted to work hard to be like the best. So I was like, okay, I want to do that. And so I just figured out like there was a different career path, kind of similar, and yeah, I I did it. You know, I'm happy I I went for it and I I learned a lot about myself, had to had to do stuff that like I never thought I would do. Um like the academy just just being tased, being sprayed in the face with pepper spray, well, way, way, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

So you yeah, so you you went to school and then you did that, right? Went to school, graduated. Give me some timeline here. So you got it. You gradu you went, you played soccer, you would yeah, you moved to Franklin junior year, and then you went to school, you you worked hard, everything there, then you got into Michigan, University of Michigan in Arbor. Yep. You went to there and you studied and you changed your your what you're what you wanted to go pathwise, yeah, and then a couple times, and then you were like, okay, I'm gonna take it back. I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to what I wanted to do as a kid. Yeah. Maybe not FBI, but you wanted to go law enforcement. And maybe that led to that, maybe it didn't. But okay, I'm gonna go take the steps to go do that.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Okay, here we're here now.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

You graduated, U of M.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Graduated school, and then what? Had had like I graduated school, and then for the summer I ended up just getting a random job for like a couple months just while I figured stuff out, basically.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Um, and so my first like real job out of college was literally not even a job, basically, you know, money-wise, you know. Um, so it was something with Spanish, so it was it was like a bilingual, um, I don't know, bilingual, like customer service agent.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

For Guardian alarm. So they would install alarms and they'd have technicians similar, yeah. So it was good for my Spanish. It was very good. I was talking, you know, speaking it every day, but I knew it wasn't forever. So after that, that's when I was transitioned. I worked for um a local police department.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

So Detroit police for a while. Um, that was fun, it was really cool. So what did you do?

SPEAKER_01 16:11

Like, how do you so how do you just like you're like okay, I'm a policeman today. Yeah, it was what was that process like you gotta like show me, like talk to me, because I I don't even know. And I like I'm your friend. Like, I don't even know what that process was like.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Yeah, do you know what I'm saying? Like it wasn't an officer. Um, so it was it was in in an analyst in a gun unit. So it was really cool, cool stuff. Um but it was uh I basically just found it online because I was always looking for entry-level type jobs. Gotcha, yeah. So I just applied online, just like you would on Indeed for something random. Yeah, and I got an interview um while I was at Guardian just doing the call center stuff. Yeah, and I'm like, hell yeah, I don't even care what the salary is, you know, I'm doing it. Yeah, so it wasn't even that good of a salary, but it was a job in the field I wanted to be in. So then I was there. That's when I transitioned to like, okay, I want to take the next step. I want to, you know, go to the feds, basically, and try to be an officer. So I left DPD, yeah. Yeah, a pig. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So um DPD for like eight months. Yeah. Went to uh the federal officer route, okay, which was cool.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

So where does that start? How does that work?

SPEAKER_02 17:22

That was probably uh COVID-ish, so like 2020. Okay, and it was a long process. You gotta do a whole background investigation, they gotta talk to your family, friends, neighbors, a polygraph, invest like all this crazy, super formal stuff, medical, make sure you're you know healthy. So no drugs, and no drugs, no alcohol, yeah. Had to tell them all my crazy college stories, yeah. Truthful. So after that, um, I got hired after the probably six-month process to just get hired.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

I remember it felt like you were doing that for a year.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

It was terrible, yeah. It's like you're stuck in like a purgatory, yeah. But um, once I got hired, then I I was had to go to Georgia for the actual academy. That's where everyone trains to become an officer. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Talk to me about that. So is it like for me like boot camp, right? Yep. Is it like kind of like that where you're locked in, there's no phones or whatever it is. Like, what is it? What is that like? Are you you're put up in a hotel, you're put up in a dorm? What is it?

SPEAKER_02 18:17

It's uh it's like the barracks, basically. So I was I was with another with another officer, so it was double bunked up in a room, um, same shower, same routine every day, no phones, very strict, like similar to boot camp, you know, very militaristic, police-like, you know, you're standing at attention every time someone walks in the room, and all that stuff that no one out here knows what we're talking about, but you know. Um, so that was six months in Georgia, and it was also during the end of COVID. Okay. So what made it worse is that it was on a base in Georgia, and typically after work hours, you could leave. It was COVID. So they had us locked down. So once you test negative for COVID, you're allowed onto the the base. Yeah, you can't leave. Six months. So it's brutal. So after that, um, that's when I came back after the academy, and now we're 2022.

SPEAKER_03 19:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

Um, or the end of 2021, sorry. That's when I was an actual officer.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

Working at the bridge in Detroit between Canada and Detroit.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

So you're a police officer at that point.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Federal officer, yep. Yep. So um carried a gun, handcuffs, all that, you know. I didn't even know that. Really? Didn't even know that. Like actually swear to God, I didn't know that. No way. Okay. I'm being serious. Yeah, I did not know that. Okay. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, so that was probably six months of my life. I worked very weird hours. Yeah. Weird off days, you know, working like I don't know, probably 4 p.m. to 2 a.m. 10 hours. So I was there for like six months as an officer. Yeah. That's where my whole life changed because every single day going into work, everyone was a dream job.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Dream job. Dream job. Absolutely. Dream job. You've worked up to this point, knowing as a kid you wanted to do this. You have done what you needed to do, changed your everything, gone, yeah, finished it, did it, you're there.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

And life's crazy. And life is crazy because I spent so many years thinking that that is what I wanted to do. Yeah. And I would realize that every day going into work, there was a common theme everyone always talked about. You have any idea what I'm referring to?

SPEAKER_01 20:25

No, I want to hear it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Retirement.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

I'm like, I want to go home. I'm I'm 20, whatever I was, 25 years old. Yeah. Why is everybody talking about the end of not their life, but you know, why is everyone talking about 25 years down the road? So after like six months, I grew the courage to say screw it.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Wait a sec. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So you you you did all this, right? And you're there.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

And you know, it's it's not just maybe a little bit of some words here and there. Yeah. You're you're going in every day and you're not liking maybe it's the culture, maybe it's just the people, maybe it's the job. Yeah. Whatever it is, what is it? What is it? And and where was that moment? Was it a single moment, or was it like, hey, this is just like I'm getting tired of this. And where was that switch?

SPEAKER_02 21:14

I think what it was for me is not so much the job. It was the job was cool. It wasn't what they made it out to be, but yeah, though what it was was the the life changes that you had to go through. And I specifically remember one of the one of the biggest moments was one of my first days, like on my own.

SPEAKER_03 21:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

You know, so I don't have a training officer with me. I'm like doing my thing by myself, can make my own decisions. And I was talking with someone else, and they were trying to justify why, like, why this was a good career, right? And and what they had to say for why it was a good career. Their off days were Tuesday and Wednesday, this particular officer. And they said, Well, this is I mean, this is awesome because it makes it really easy for me to schedule my appointments. And like at first I just I just agreed, you know, I was like, Yeah, that's great. And then I just kind of like sat there and was like, Is this what I want my life to be? Appointments. Do I want my highlight of my life to be off Tuesday and Wednesdays so I can schedule my damn haircut? Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

And that's what changed it all. And then from there I it just resonated and so you say change it all.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

You so you go in that day, bam, you're like, you had this conversation. That was kind of like the that was the the spark of like, okay, maybe this is not the right thing. But there's yeah, I feel like there's so many other jobs in that area where you could have gone. For sure. What was the process like at this point? Were you with Sam or what was going on? Like, what was your your life at? Like, what was the out here, not just work? Yeah, what were you doing out here? Yeah, like because you don't have time. Yeah, so like what is that? I'm sure there was a bunch of changes from okay, you got it, you did all this training, now you're here. Yep, now you're here, and you're like, Well, I kind of want this to end.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Yeah. It was uh it was a pretty harsh awakening because you go from being in college or high school or whatever and to having weekends off, seeing all your family, seeing all your friends, making every holiday to being told you you work every holiday. Yeah. You and I and that wasn't an issue with me. You know, I sacrif you have to sacrifice to get good things in life. Of course, yeah. But it just started to grow, you know, on me that like this this isn't what I was really looking for, you know. I wanted more freedom, you know. I wanted to work hard to create a life for myself that was like not stuck. And I was I was I felt stuck. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Um no, I I think it does in the sense of like time.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

But you know, I feel like you could I feel like that was kind of something that you might have known going into it.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

So what was it something that it was like you you just like you had that conversation, you're like, okay, is it the it's not the appointments, it's the time, maybe. Yeah, you know, and and but then like what was going on at home where it was like, okay, why do I want so much time away from the work? If that was what you wanted to do, that's what you kind of worked towards doing. And why was it then what did you change into a like kind of like a different division? How did that work?

SPEAKER_02 24:19

Like, what was that good was that like that's a good follow-up question because I always knew that going into it was it was customs and border protection. So the guys that work at the borders, yeah. So I always knew that like that was a stepping stone for me. Gotcha. So while there, I was also applying to another federal job as a special agent. That that special agent role was my dream job. Okay. So I I needed one more step. So gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Was that attainable? It was. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

It was. So four months into my time as an officer, two months before I quit. Okay, I started the process. Jumping ahead, here we go. Yeah, yeah. So I started the process um to apply to become a special agent.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

So this was brilliant This is what I remember.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

That's what I this is like where I thought it began.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

To be honest.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

Okay, okay, got it. So I was working as an officer, didn't really like it. Yeah. Was also in that hiring process for the special agent. Another drawn-out process, but I already had like that background check that they just did. So it kind of transfers over. Yeah, of course, yeah. That makes sense. So once I was far enough along in that process, I knew I already knew I was in that process. Okay. I did not have to stay at my current position to stay in that process. So knowing that the whole time, um, I was being pushed more and more away from what I wasn't enjoying.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

Um, because that that was my end goal, my dream job. Yeah. This is early 2022.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

So I mustered the courage to I cried several days, trying to make this decision, think about it. Fine.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

What are you, what are you, what were you crying about? You're are you stuck with it?

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Security security. Because it was a money or money and just future. Like it was uh it was a stable career with a pension, retirement, everything that society tells you to go after. Yeah, for sure. Everything. Money, money, basically. Yeah. And like, oh, your family will be taken care of and stuff. Which is true. Yeah, yeah. Which is very true. So I was like, you know what, I I can't do it. I th I know there's more somehow, some way, whether it be that new special agent position or whatever. So I put my resignation in. I was in a training and I was typing my resignation email, and I was so far spaced out, it wasn't even funny.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Um at that point, you're excited on one hand because here's your dream job and it's in like reach. It's right there. But you're kind of beat up because you've been doing this for a little bit. Yeah. And you're like, God, I like I thought I was gonna really enjoy this.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

And are you having doubts like in your dream job? Are you or are you kind of like you're like, I'm just so done with this? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

And it was it was a process, obviously, so I was having doubts all like every day.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Like were you talking to somebody about it? Were you like how are you dealing with that?

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Other officers, which was probably a mistake because they were almost every single person there. Yeah. There was a select few that that pushed me. Um, but almost everyone there was push me to push me to leave. Okay. Um, which was a very select few, small percentage. Everyone else was, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 27:39

Yeah, you're young. You're ruining your life.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

You're dumb, you're ruining your life, you'll regret this.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

One of the guys that I'll never forget to this day, yeah. He specifically said once he found out I was leaving, I'll see you back here in two months when mommy's money runs out. Little did he know, I have you know, have not taken help from my parents ever because they can't. Yeah. And second, it was that was like lit a flame under my ass too to like, okay. All right. So that was a moment I'll never forget. But through this whole process is while I was resigning, I was also in the process of of starting a business, just looking.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

You're just testing the waters, just chat, chat, like basic basic for it. Like, what was it that like what was that? Because it's like that's just kind of that's out of the blue. It is very out of the blue, and that has nothing to do with what you went to school for, what you dreams, all of it.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Completely out of the blue. Um, I life happens again, crazy ways, but when I was going back to the time that I spent in Georgia, because it was during COVID, yeah, this was a blessing in disguise for me because I had nothing to do. Yeah. So I would just sit on my phone and scroll through Twitter and read about ideas and ways to make money that wasn't on your Twitter. My Twitter is never don't worry, other stuff on there too. Um, so I came across the idea of how to start a business. Yeah, very loose, whatever. And I was like, well, cool, you know. So it was always in the best thing.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

That's it. That's it. Yeah. It never really was like, yeah, I'm gonna do this.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Yeah. So that's kind of I I basically told myself, like, all right, well, if I quit my job, I have a I have some saved up, you know.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

And I can pay my bills for a while.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

So I gave myself like And your bills were, were you in an apartment? Did you have your house at this time?

SPEAKER_02 29:34

We were here. Okay. Um, so it was split. It was split with Sam, my fiance. So it was just us and the dogs. Yeah. Um, I still had my old car, which was paid off. So I didn't I didn't have, you know, a car payment or anything.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Basically, just I was just always switching cars.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Exactly. Yeah, I know. Yeah, but I did smart. I never had a cool ride. Yeah, to each their own. But um, so I I knew I could do it. You know, I I I wasn't gonna be a little bit lavish, but like it was worth the risk. So I told myself, like, if I'm gonna do it, I I think that maybe this business idea that I saw in the academy is something worth looking at. So I would just look at it here and there.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

So wait, wait, so you're you gave your right your your like you quit. You're uh you put in the letter, like I'm done. And in between, so from that time to like you start in your next position at your dream job, where is where is this app?

SPEAKER_02 30:34

Good question.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Like, was this like you again you've had this in your head since you went to Georgia? Yeah, but it's never been like a backup, it was just a thought.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

It was just a thought.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

So like what what was like you were just like ah fuck it, like I'm just gonna try, like I'm just gonna, in this period of time, however long, yeah, what was that like it was it was definitely just a thought, and I I had seen multiple different things, like how to make money, you know, uh on your own.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

You know how like some of those things are. So before I quit, I knew I had like there was two things I was interested in.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

One, which is funny to look at now, was like selling on Amazon. So just like finding products and buying low and selling on. Yeah. So that was one. And then the second was a house cleaning business. I had no clue what the hell I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Where did this like where did house cleaning come from? Uh also most people are like cut grass, like exactly, yeah. Yeah, something like that. If they're starting the business, switching dudes, especially in this.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

100%, yeah, 100%. So it was another thing I saw on on Twitter that was like it's easy-ish to start, and it's like low startup, excuse me, cost. So it wasn't like I had to go buy a ton of machinery or mowers and things like that. I'm like, okay, well, I don't have much. Yeah, so let me so that was my motive to look into it. Okay, it was like I can start it easily with not much money. So that was kind of the initial motive. It wasn't anything to do with the cleaning houses, yeah. It was just like cheap to start.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

So that was like the motive for that. So I quit I quit the federal officer job. Probably that was April 2022.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

I tried Amazon selling for like a month. I was picking up supplements from like wholesalers, selling them on Amazon, and making like a hundred bucks here and there.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

That's it was very random, very, very random. Also cool. Yeah. Because like you learned something. Yeah, yeah, I learned a little bit. So I had like a bunch of equipment here, like to print out labels and shipping labels and all this, whatever. That was like a month, and I'm like, what am I doing? This isn't sustainable. So I had like a self-talk and it was like, all right. This is just you. This is just me, yeah, just myself. And so quit that job, did Amazon selling for about a month. So this takes us to May of 2022.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

And I told myself, I need to replace my income from my previous job so that way I can start saving and being an adult and contributing to whatever in uh two months. Which is a pretty heavy task to do. I failed, I didn't do it. Yeah, but it was enough motive for me to actually start the house cleaning business.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

What was the motive?

SPEAKER_02 33:26

Was the fact that I had to replace my income.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

So the Amazon. So you didn't set up your dream job. Like you didn't have you were like, I'm done. This is where that dream job comes into play. So once we're at because it was it was in play, it was just a it was a thought, just like kind of like a I want that, but correct. Yeah, it was it wasn't like set up. It's not like okay, yeah, you started two months. It was a hiring process.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

So I was in the process, okay, but just waiting for an email on hey, you passed, now you're on the next step. Gotcha. So it was just in limbo.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Gotcha. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

So I'm waiting on that and just kind of lollygagging the background. That's why I wasn't too pressured.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Because you kind of felt like you had security. You're like, I I can, I'm gonna have this.

SPEAKER_02 34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

So like the money will come. Yeah, everything will come, but it's like for right now, I'm just gonna have some fun and try to like do some like something fun and decide and make some money.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Exactly that. Yeah, like 100%.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

I don't want like a regular job, but I I guess I want something I can kind of yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

That's the exact exact thought I had. Yeah. So that was like my temporary thought process behind everything is exactly what you said. Like, yeah, I don't want to get another job while I'm waiting. Um, so I'm just gonna try something on my own. You know, I just need to fill a few months. That's it. And so once I started the house cleaning business, um, it was it started off slow. I had no clue what I was doing um at all. My my mom and sister to this day are one of the biggest helps for me in getting that business off the ground, and I will forever repay them for doing it. Yeah um so it was just myself, mom and sister cleaning houses here and there. Um I was taking pictures, posting it on Facebook and trying whatever.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Right. So is this you started a business, like LLC type thing, like yeah, you hit the whole nine, like whole nine, and you just were like, I'm going for it. And this was like, you're still like expecting to go here, but like I'm starting a business, and if it doesn't do good, it doesn't matter because I'm gonna be here, whatever, but like yeah, how are you feeling there? Like it's like it how did it start? Like it's like so you you just thought of it back here and then you got to here, but like when was the turning point? When was like okay, I'm just gonna really go for it? Like you did the Amazon thing, and just one day you were just like, ah, fuck it, like I'm gonna do it. Or like was there a conversation, was there inspiration, was there a mentor? What was it?

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Yeah, that was that's a perfect, perfect question to ask because I I left that part out. So when I was scrolling Twitter and like I saw the initial idea, there was like a person that I followed that like would would tweet about the idea all the time. And so there was like a a flash sale that that this dude ran on one of his like documents, and it was literally A to Z how to start a house cleaning business. So I should you not I used that instead of$350 value, it was$75 for this document. Yeah, and mind you, I did not have a lot of money. So I was laying in bed one night and forced myself to buy it. Like Sam was already asleep, and like my car, exactly. Yeah, I still remember it. I bought that like document and kind of studied it for like a month and did exactly what it said. So I went to this YouTube video how to file an LLC, how to find insurance, how to hire cleaners, no clue what I was doing. That's crazy, and that's how that's how it started. So the biggest, the biggest fork in the road that I've been in my life was probably the end-ish of 2022. So I was about three or four, maybe five, six months, something like that, into the business. Okay, the hiring process for the special agent job finished. I got a final offer. I got a call while I was cleaning an apartment with my sister that was a formal extension of a job offer to be a special agent.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Also cried at that moment.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Yeah, I was gonna ask, what is that, what does that feel like? Because you're supposed to feel like accomplished. You're supposed to feel like holy crap, my dream is real. Like I just made it to the freight and NBA or something. Like, yeah, that's your that's your moment.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Exactly. And it was it was that, but it was it was weird because I I got the offer, but it wasn't in Michigan. So I would have had to move. And going back to what this whole conversation started with, this family and everything, yeah. Immediately in my head, I was so excited, you know, and then I was like, moving away would be tough and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

But I already And you're there with your sister and your mom cleaning this apartment.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

It was just me and my sister that day. So she was extremely happy for me.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

Was it just like one of those things where like you're on the phone and it like she can kind of hear what the conversation's going on? And she like stops what she's doing. How was that? Like, what was that? What was that? I gotta know because you and your sister are very close.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

Yeah. She was, I specifically remember, it was a smaller apartment.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

Um, she was in the bathroom and I was in the living room, and she could obviously hear me. I've always stopped take calls, but like she knew this one was different just by tone of my voice. Yeah, it was very serious, very like law enforcement.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

Um, and she immediately like I could see her out of the corner of my eye. She stopped what she was doing, stopped cleaning, was peeking out at me. And I was smiling. I gave like a big thumbs up, and it was a surreal moment. And and at that point, like I had they they give you, they give you, I want to say like 14 days to either accept or decline the job. So in my head, I'm like, man, this is this is great. I'm gonna, you know, I'll be able to run the business from wherever, or my sister will help me or whatnot, and I'm gonna do it. And so the next like two, you know, two weeks, I'm just sitting there day and night, like, what do I do? You know, like, do I move, do I not move? Nothing was business related. Everything was that career. And I'm like, do I move, do I not move? Is this what I want? Is this what I not want? But then actually came down to, you know, like the last couple days, and I was like, I have to make a decision. I have to, I have to grow up at this moment and make a decision. And so on the very last day, I was going back and forth between like what this job would offer. And mind you, it's Monday through Friday, weekends off, plain clothes, very badass. You know, you carry a gun, no one even knows you have it, yeah, doing undercover stuff. Exactly what I wanted doing about everything. And on my countertop out there, I'm my something in my heart told me to decline the job offer and continue with business and to this day. That's the biggest decision I've ever made that has been for the better. So uh I still look back and have some regret about it. Really? But um what's the not much? Not much. Just that I never got to experience the like prestige of of finally making it to that career. Because I worked really doing so much remote stuff, you know, to to do it and keep good grades.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Was there something else driving you? Was it like uh you wanted to like make your your family proud or something? Like what was like that, or was it just you? You're like, I just wanted that's something that I want to achieve.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

I think it was it was a it was a true tie to the career.

SPEAKER_03 41:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

Like I was really interested in like solving crime and interviewing people and you know, cat and mouse, you know. Like I'm I'm better than you. Yeah, and I can catch you. I can figure this out. Yeah, very it's competition. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Um I think that movie with like Tom Cruise, or is is it Tom Cruise where it's like the taxiator printing money, the dude gets really good at like doing checks and stuff. Oh god, okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Exactly. Like your mind is always at work. Yeah, you're not like just doing the same repetitive thing every day. So kind of what you left. Yes, yes, it was very repetitive. So I like I liked that the job was different. You know, one day you would be in court, one day you would be on the street. Yeah, yeah. It was what you wanted. Variety. Yeah, you know, life is more than just oh yeah, more balance, yeah, everything.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

Yeah, it was the whole night. Um I don't know. What made you what made you do that decision? Like you said that it was just a feeling, like that's a crazy just a feeling. Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's it I to me, I feel like there was more to it. Like there there's gotta be more to it. Or maybe there's not. Maybe it was just like you like procrastinated those 14 days, like overthinking, overthinking, like, oh crap, like, what do I do? And it's like all these things, you know, like were you planning things, or did you have uh like were you going to say yes? Or was that something that you like were was about to do, or or was it like this you already knew gut feeling that whole time that you were like, you know, you know, I'm not gonna do it. But like you just couldn't get to that before that last day.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

I was going to say yes for the first seven days. I just had to come to terms with the fact that I was gonna move away for three years. That's the minimum that you had to stay outside of your home location for my family. So it was just wrapping my head around that for seven days. But then once I got back to, you know, day eight and reality, I was like, man, you know, this this business is kind of it's kind of nice, you know. Like I wasn't making anything, man. Like not much money out of it. You're a profit? Or you're making profit, but just like scraping by. Just scraping by. Scraping by. Like I'm paying, I'm paying my bills, but I didn't have like a ton left over, you know.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

So I mean, I think that is still pretty, pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

Yeah, definitely. You know what I'm saying? Like definitely.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

Do you think that if you were not making the payments with your bills and struggling with that, like not having extra money, what would that do? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, what would that decision have been completely different? Have you played with that in your head? Like, have has that was that a thought? Or like if we're like at this moment, I am doing good.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

Yeah. Yeah, I think if had it been a couple months before, yeah, and I was like not paying all my bills, yeah, probably, because I would have been like, shit, you know, like this is cool. I at least I I went for it.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

But you know, um, I but I think very gratefully it happened where it did. So that way I was able to see the freedom. Yeah, it's it's uh it's a drug, man. Business is a drug because you you control it all the time. And and it's very rare in this day and age to do that. Most people have to, you know, like on a Tuesday for me, yeah. I wasn't making much money, but I was in control of my day. If I wanted to take a call and walk outside and stretch, I could. I didn't have someone telling me you got 15 minutes to get back to work. And like that, it it's a drug, you know, it's uh it's not the money and the freedom.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

So okay, that yeah, I mean, you're you're in the apartment, you get the call, you're sitting there 14 days, you gotta make a decision. The rest of your life is sitting on the line here. Yeah, and you're like, I got my dream right here. Yeah. While I do this, say yes.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_01 44:59

And the only thing that's really holding you back is Panel.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

Yeah, and and honestly, to even make it even better of a situation than it was, they told me that for the like pre pre-academy, which is like the couple months that you like train before you go to again to the training, yeah, which have been another six months. They said, you know what? Instead of coming to Ohio for those first two months, we'll let you do all your training in Detroit. So that was I I asked, you know, I I had no place to ask that, but before I was even hired, but they have they approved it. So I was like, damn, I don't even have to leave yet. I can just start adjusting.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Dang. So you kind of had like the best, the best of both worlds. Yeah. Like really, like in that moment, you're like, you had everything, but then the last day. Yeah. You're like, something told you, I'm gonna do this. I'm just gonna go for it. Was it like, did that light a fire under you? Like, what what was that then like? Was it did you notice something, or did somebody what was your family's reaction? Oh, there's so many questions with that. Like, what was your like let's go with what was your family's reaction to you saying no? How did you tell them? How do you tell Sam? Like, that's a giant thing. Yeah, I can't imagine being like, hey, yeah, here's all my secures are family security, everything right here. And you and I decided, yeah, um, jump out in the garbage. Yeah, and you know, absolutely who did you tell first? Because that, like, what was that like? What like where were you at? Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_02 46:34

What was that? I don't remember. I don't remember who I told first. I just remember clicking send on the email. Yeah, and I just sat there and now the PJI now would have been like, throw it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

I mean, I'll be honest, doing something like, yeah, what was that? What was that? Like that initial that initial reaction. Were you sad, scared? What was that?

SPEAKER_02 46:57

Sad for sure, because I I felt like I closed the door on the last five years of my dreams, yeah, which is hard to come to a reality with, you know. Um, but also talk about lighting a flame under your ass. Yeah, that that changed it all. Because now it's like I did it, I pressed send, I even checked my scent folder to like make sure it went through make sure it went through. Yeah, and I'm like, all right, well, it it went through. You know, it's two minutes ago, it says scent. So at that point, I was like, we're all in. We're all in. I I gotta make it work.

SPEAKER_01 47:31

Holy crap.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

It was scary as hell, but you know.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Yeah. So then what? You call somebody, you text somebody, what was that?

SPEAKER_02 47:39

I don't I don't remember. Yeah, I think honestly, I don't remember because it was so like you like black out, you know, like I don't remember. Do you remember the reaction? Oh, yeah, my dad was terrified. Really? Yeah, my dad was he was terrified because it was it was secure. Yeah, it was a it was all security. Yeah, and what was his reaction? He was scared, right? Very scared, very scared. He was asking, like, you know, he's like, is it final? You know, like oh god, yeah, I can't. You know what I mean? Like, can you can you change your mind? You know, well, did you think about it? And did you think about it? Yeah, no, I didn't think about it. So yeah, that was that was scary approaching it to to them. But I had a couple people in uh like in my life, or I guess what in my corner that like when I did it, they were like super happy for me.

SPEAKER_01 48:32

Yeah, and they reassured me that it was like were those friends, like what was that? Was that your mom? Was your sister? What was it?

SPEAKER_02 48:38

Uh always my mom because I could tell her I want to be a bus driver till I'm 90 and she would support me. So love my mom to death, I was like, so her for sure. And then it was all it was also Sam's stepdad, okay, um, Mark, if you've ever met him, because he owns a business too. Okay. So he knew I was deciding between career or business, and he was like full head esteem, go the business route, trust your mind. Yeah, you know. So he he played a big role in coaching me too.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

Crazy.

unknown 49:10

I know.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

So okay, so I know your dad, and I know your mom. And so I know, I feel like I feel I feel like I can picture the reaction from your dad. And I I I think that for me, I think uh I could I could feel this fear. Oh yeah. And so I want to know, did you feel it? Like I definitely felt that. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, how did it make you feel? What did it make you feel kind of like, what was that? Because I'm sure like when he said that, it probably cut. Oh yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, I'm how did that feel? Like, I want to know, like, what did that do to you? Because I know for me, like, I can say all day long that I don't care what people say. But there's certain people that if I share something and they don't react in a way where I'm like, oh, it's you're not proud of me. Yeah. Yeah. Or like you think I'm gonna fail. It's like in reality, if they were just, you know, maybe react like, but I then I'm like, okay, well, I'm expecting their reaction, and you know, yeah, I'm trying to control that. Exactly. So what was that? Like, does that hurt you? Does that what did it do to you?

SPEAKER_02 50:11

It didn't so much, it didn't so much hurt me as because I I knew I knew where he would would stand if he had to make the decision for me.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

But it kind of like How did you explain it to him? I just told him that like it was it was the freedom, and he was probably like, what are you talking about, man? You know, like what are you talking about? The freedom. Like it was I went from being studious, like an acad, you know, not like a social nerd, but like an academic nerd, you know, like a U of M. That's always studying, always like skipping fun shit. Like it sucked for a long time, and I was always regimented, you know, so the next regimented step would be get a job. And he was like baffled that I turned it down. Yeah, but I think it proved proved for me that my decision was one that I made, yeah, and no one else, which was awesome because like I was always influenced by like get good grades, go to your event, do what society says. And now I felt for the first time like I'm in control, fuck it.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

You know, like so your dad was scared. For sure. And I do did you feel that ever before that? Like you had been doing the right things, probably maybe because of that.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Yeah, I wouldn't say it was like my motives weren't him being scared or whatever, but it definitely played a part in telling me like that's you know the safe route and and whatnot. But no, it was that was more my feelings were separate from his.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

Which was which was nice. Yeah, it didn't weigh on me too much.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Yeah. So then you got your dad, he's kind of scared for you. That is hard to hear, but you're like, I this I made a decision. Like I pushed that in, there's really no going back, but here I am. Yeah, you know, like after that, you're sitting there. Do you have any like you said that you had regrets? What was that feeling like? Was it did you talk to somebody about it? Did you talk to somebody? You talk to like what was that? For me, I'm I'm like, I talk. If anybody knows me, oh yeah, I talk. Yeah, and I share, and I've learned that a lot of times when I'm sharing, some people don't want to listen, they don't give up, yeah. And so I I think that you know, I still talk to this thing all the time. I mean, heck, we're listening, let me start a podcast because I just want to voice. Uh so I'm just trying to sit here and go, I'm trying to put myself in your shoes. And I'm trying to be like, well, how did that not just like what where was the motivation then? Was it was it for you then like I have to do this? Like now it's like I have to? Like, did it did it go from kind of like a nonchalant, like I'm making money, I'm doing decent, like I'm okay, like okay, I made this big decision, and now fuck, like what do I do? And did it turn into something that you didn't really like, or did it kind of escalate like your feelings of like go into that for me? Because I like that that kind of stuff excites me.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

Yeah, and that that's a that's a good question to ask too. And I think at first it kind of was like there was no explanation. It was just, I think it was like a I don't know, something else at work that just made me say, I'm gonna decline the job and try it. Like I I wasn't sound, you know, like looking back, I'm like, I don't know anything about house cleaning or business. Yeah, I have no one in my life that has taught me about business or any of this to do it.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

You know, I just bought a$75 on sale sheet. For all I know, it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

Yeah, exactly. I could have got, you know, scammed by some kit. So once it started to grow a little bit more, yeah, I put the same effort into business that I did like academics and studying. So like if something wasn't working, I was pissed. You know, I was like, man, no, like this is no, this is not okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

And I would just sit there for hours, like hours on end, and like, how do I make my website better? How do I hire better? How do I pay for this? How do I you know? I started having a spreadsheet of like cost and numbers, and I'm like, okay, I like numbers, you know. And then it just started from there, you know, just that same drive. And then I just trial and error.

unknown 54:25

Trial and error.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Dang. So then what were you doing? Like, what was it like your business was you? Did you start hiring like accountant or CPA or something? Like, what was what was that like? Because you like you said, you you just kind of were going off the spreadsheet and going off of like your own intuition yeah of like what I should do. If I were you struggling in areas, or were you kind of like balanced across? Like you're smart, like you put your time into things and you you'll study. Did the stuff from college help with that? Or did stuff from Google? Where was your sources at? Did you find a mentor? Was it your was it your uncle, like your Sam's uncle?

SPEAKER_02 55:03

Sam's uh stepdad. No, not it was basically Twitter. I I kind of fell into a niche on Twitter that was like all all business oriented, um, but like young dudes running their own business and people offering help very generously. So do you reach out to like the individuals? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So like if I would I would tweet about a problem, yeah, you know, but like everyone kind of followed each other in that space. Yeah. And so if someone if I tweeted like, how do I hire good cleaners? I'm having trouble with this. Yeah. Graciously, there were some people that just helped me so much early on. And I'm like, man, just how do I repay that? You know, like looking back now on this, dude, yeah, incredible.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

All right. So we were talking about you liking numbers. Okay. Right. You were saying that that was kind of your pushing, you're pushing, you're pushing for your business. And that was kind of something that you were enjoying. And so that's kind of what you were kind of distracting yourself with. Yeah. Uh, was just pushing. And so you're you're you got your mom, your sister working for you.

SPEAKER_02 56:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

You got at that point, you had made a decision. Um, this is my new dream.

SPEAKER_02 56:14

Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

So at what point, and is it still you're talking about your dad, and I and I know your mom is your biggest fan, and I know your dad, I know where he comes from.

SPEAKER_02 56:25

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

So I know why he was worrying.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

So is there a moment yet, or maybe it's something that has happened, maybe hasn't, that he has come and been like, you did it. You know, or like I'm like, I I like I I understand that. Have you ever had that conversation? What is it? Like, what is that? Like, I'm I'm really, really like interested in that dynamic of like just you have succeeded. I mean, to me, I feel like I've seen some pretty cool posts. Oh, yeah. You know, and and I've seen some pretty big numbers. Yeah. And so talk to me about the the business side, the numbers. Shout yourself out a little bit. Give us some. I need to know how how good are you doing now? And how long ago was that then?

SPEAKER_02 57:12

Yeah. Um, so start of the business was June 2022. Okay. And we're November 25. Yeah. So three, three and a half years. Jesus. I know. Time's flying. Um, and it also feels like it was yesterday, but it also feels like it was today. So um, first point, definitely there's definitely been a moment that that I've kind of hit myself, and my dad has also like once I shared that moment with him, that he's also like shared the moment with me.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:44

Um, everything government-wise, federal officer-wise, special agent-wise, was public. Okay. So all the pay was public. Yeah. And like it's like the the Navy. Exactly. Yeah. You got your grade, and you got your exact. Everybody says that whole chart. A thousand percent. And you know what everybody makes. Yep. Yeah. And so I was like infatuated with that because I was always motivated, like, all right, if I make this much, I'm going to be able to, you know, I don't know, use it to help my family. That's it. So I would always look at like, okay, once I get this special agent job, after after five years, I'm going to be making, you know, whatever, this amount or six figures, whatever the heck it would be. Once I, and my dad knew all those pay skills, I would have deep talks with him about like, oh, I'm excited. You know, this is what this offers, this is what year three I'll be making, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, for the for like special agent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was all public. So you always knew what you were gonna do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

So you're like, I'm working towards this, and this is the route to get this. That's why like the Navy is so like it's easy because it's like, here's what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you're like, okay, cool. Yeah, like it's guaranteed, safe, safe. So once I in the business, like hit that certain, I don't even remember when it was, probably took a while. Yeah. But once I once I hit like, you know, that threshold of where I where I would have been in the special agent career, but with business, that's when my dad was kind of like, one, for me, I was like, wow, you know, this is real. Yeah, yeah. And then two, my dad was like, Okay. You know, like how was that?

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Like, did it was it, it's obviously it's not like it just came up in conversation, like, how much did you make today? You know, yeah. Exactly, yeah, exactly. How did you have that conversation? Were you excited to have that conversation? Was it did you like celebrate, you know, like you're watching like YouTube or something, and they're like, Yeah, I know. I wish it was like it was similar to like excitement level for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

Just because I I wanted it to be.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

How did you show it? Yeah, how did you have that conversation? And I want to know how like your support, like who is your support? Like what is what did that look like when you come to them with that type of information? Or do you not really share that?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:05

Good is that something that you really I would say that Sam obviously lives the business because it's always here. So there's a very fine line for her. She's she's definitely, you know, a very, very big supporter of me. Um, but there's a fine line to where it's like, all right, if I'm having a bad day and I'm like pissed, walking around the house, you know, making calls, doing all this, she's like over it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

But um, Sam, of course, you know, through and through, she's gonna support me, but also like she listens to it by choice sometimes and by default.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

So my family, like, obviously, I'll I'll share all the good stuff with them, and sometimes when I'm stressed, and my dad has been particularly interested in the business and how it how it goes and stuff. So um, I think when I just shared that with him is is kind of like just like an update, you know, because it was like, okay, this is my six-month mark. I hit this, yeah. So it was never me. I don't like to talk about you know, like numbers and stuff like that, like with people. So it wasn't that, it was more so like I shared like an update, you know, like on Twitter or Facebook, like, thank you everyone for the support. Like, we just hit our one year, yeah. And then he would be like, How how did it go? Or like, you know, so it was more conversation as opposed to like I just did this, you know. Yeah, so kind of more relaxed.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

Why is it that you do that? Because I feel like some people you're holding, it's is are you holding the information back from like you don't want to sound like you're doing too well for or is it like you're just not that type of person, like not to because like I'll give an example, right? Like uh we're playing FIFA, yeah, you score a goal, yeah, you're gonna be all up going crazy. Yeah, yeah. You're watching the Tigers or the Lions or whatever our teams are, you know, and and you're watching, okay, you're watching Michigan play against Ohio, uh huh. And we're winning, like we've been doing for the last couple years. Uh so that moment, I s I've seen you in those moments. I've seen you play soccer and get so emotional that you get kicked out of the dang facility, or you try to fight 20 people and I'm like, God, not again. And so it's like, what is the what how where's the difference here? Why is it that you are so humble when it comes to your success in business compared to your life, your regular, like your fun? Do you know what I'm saying? Like you're yeah, you're you're so much of a humble, tight-knit, not really brag, this, this, this, but only in business. Out here, it's I'm not saying that you're like bragging or anything, but like you you're like loud and yeah, your personality is a little bit different. Why, why is that? Is it is it something that you're scared of? Is it something that you're just humble, you don't want to brag? Or you like what is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:07

I like I definitely love carrying myself in a humble way.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:12

So, you know, if it's and I've I've been like that for a long time. So when it comes to others, yeah, you know, especially if it was school, you know, if I was getting a straight A on every test, I wouldn't want to say that. I would want to find someone, you know, like who's struggling? Like, who can I help? And I think not you, you weren't even there, you weren't even asking. But don't say that. My mom's wrong. Yeah, that was that was a joke by the way. Yeah, no, she knows. Anyway, I think what it comes down to is like team stuff in others. Yeah, I'm very, very energetic and loud, passionate, you know, forthcoming. Yeah. With myself though. It's like if I do something, I'm really happy. I'm gonna tell like, you know, my close, close friends, family, whatever, but like I don't, I never want to come off as like bragging or boastful. I I like I like being humble, you know. I I think it's the right way to carry yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:12

That's amazing. I yeah, I don't know if I would be the same, honestly. I don't know. I feel like uh I don't know. I feel like it's like it's so I I don't see that pretty much anywhere. Like I said, like you're watching people on TikTok, YouTube, whatever the social media is.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

And I mean now even like the news is like following suit in like the social media like trends and stuff. Yeah, exactly. And so it's like the the boasting and the putting your stuff out there with celebration. Now it's becoming, it seems like it's becoming like people don't want to see that as much.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

But for you, it's not about that. You're saying that it's like it's I can tell like that, it's just you're you have your fun and then your business, and you're humble as crap in your business, and and it's quite amazing to see, but damn, do I want you to like be? I don't know if it like are you not happy with your wins? Are you are you not celebrating and are you losing out on that like that feeling? Or are you are you just is your celebration the the small win of like the malt small celebration and move on? Or do you have like this giant goal that you're trying to hit and then you'll celebrate? What is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:29

I think personally, like there I always I I definitely have goals myself, you know, and I'm I'll celebrate them my myself too, but I don't think I appreciate you saying that. That's huge, man. It's a huge compliment, but like I just no matter what, like if I won the presidency or whatever, I wouldn't ever want to come across as like you know, like I'm the great, I'm just another human. You know what I mean? Like we're it's a it's a team sport, it's a team life. Like, I don't even mean to be all philosophical, but like, you know, I don't I don't like to to to stand out, you know, if that makes sense. Now you talk about a team, or like if we're playing soccer against someone else, like no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

Like why what is that difference? Why why is there a difference? What is that for you? Like, w is it that's what I'm trying to say is like when you're playing soccer specifically, and like nobody has really seen this except for like a handful, like your the teammates or like the people that are on the other team that yeah, mostly hate you, I would say, on the other team. I would say and I would say that I I am like the I like to make friends on the field, you know? And uh yeah, you do, I know, yeah. You know, and so like when you're in the fight and it's like six dudes that are like wanting you to kill you on the field, yeah. And I'm I'm sweet talking the rest of the team, making friends. I'm like, hey, please, like he's he's just an idiot, but like he's really smart.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:52

Like you don't if you do, like I've I've heard that in the background through my rage so many times, you're just like, no, he's good, you know, just let him do his stuff. Yeah, just like he's okay. Like, I'll I'll get him one sec.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

Like, like, but like it's so different. And so it's it's just when I when I because we've talked about like your stuff, and and and I remember watching and kind of seeing little bits and pieces, and kind of seeing you like we I would come to U of M and we would party or whatever, and it would be like it would be like that, yeah. And then we would go play pickup or whatever it was, it was always some sort of celebration in the sense of just like having fun seeing our boys, yeah. And like it's always that, and it you are always the dude lifting people up, like in that sense of like, oh, you see Seth, or you see one of our like friends, or you see me, yeah, and you're always like, Oh, it's up, dude. Like, I know how you been, like, and you're always like I know, always so up. What like I like the difference is it's insane, it's night and day.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:54

It's in that's interesting to hear from from someone else because like I I don't ever talk about you know like that with somebody else, but like from your point of view, it it's cool to me though, in a good way, because I I like that. Like that's exactly how I want it, you know, to to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:11

Because I I you know, don't get me wrong, there's there's great stuff that I you know I want to celebrate, you know, like with the business, with myself, whatever, but yeah, I don't know, time and place maybe, or like close, close friends only. Like I but you're happy. Oh yeah, like you're you're solid, definitely happy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:29

I mean the business is great. Like, I don't get me wrong, I'm like not perfect. I need better discipline with myself. Yeah, exactly. You know, but but yeah, absolutely. Business going well, yeah. Very happy with it. Um it's hard, but it's yeah, I wouldn't change a thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:44

Dude, that's fucking that's badass. Every time that I see a post, and I think that's one of the things that I I why I wanted to do this interview with you, is like I I had so many, like I was just like, holy, like I'll see a post, and you're like, you'll post it on Facebook or whatever. We hit this mark, we hit this, we did this, and we're doing this guy or whatever. I'm not gonna tell you the name, but he's a famous guy, and it's like yeah, I'll tell you when is when there's not six mics around you. I'll keep this in my pocket. Yeah, uh but it's it's just it was so strange to it was it was strange in a good way to see, and and it was like I'm I look I have I'm gonna I'm gonna shot myself out in the sense of biggest failure, and in no way am I looking for pity here. I I have failed at damn near everything that I've gone after. But you've tried and what do you do, right? And it feels good, it's awesome, but at the end of the day, seeing somebody that I know, or I don't, even if they're freaking strangers, yeah, I love seeing success. Yeah, and I just every time I see that, I love that. And I'm always like, what is he doing to like is he going out? You know, and it yeah, and it's like God, like every moment I'm like, okay, he's doing like he's having fun. But you're saying it's just your it's new day, same work. Pretty much, yeah. You're just like just trying to progress and just trying to support and do your thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:18

Yeah, and I know this this is more of a convers. I mean, obviously, this is gonna be your podcast, and I'm the guest right now, but I want to flip it back to you because if there's one thing I can say to to highlight who you are as a person, there's only a very, very small percentage of the human population that is going to be genuinely happy for for others' success, yeah, and not fake about it. Because a lot of happiness for others is just envy or spite.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:52

And so many people might look at where I'm at or where somewhere someone else is at, or a pro sports player, whoever it is, yeah, and say, I'm so happy for you, and then turn around and talk shit and say, Well, they just they stole to get there, or they bribed their way, whatever it may be. But you have been, yeah, you deserve it, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:11

Like you yeah, that's why I appreciate that. Of course. And I think the the biggest thing is, you know, I said, like, oh, I don't care what people think, you know. Yeah, and uh, you know, dude, I shit my Instagram probably looks pretty cool to some people. I've had that comment, like, oh, it looks so nice, whatever. And it's like, yeah, like it looked cool, like, but like, dude, there's some dark days, dude. Like, and and and I and that I have failed and failed and failed and tried and tried. That's the key though. That's that's the key. And I think why I'm so happy and so like just proud of not only you, but like other people, uh, other friends, other family, whatever, uh, is because I know how hard it is to not have somebody in your corner. And I know how hard it is to not be heard or not to be seen or feel like you have to follow this road of this is what society thinks is success. This is the road that you have to go. And if you don't go this road, you are not going to succeed, and you are a failure no matter what you do.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

But then you look and you hear these podcasts, and you hear these businessmen and women and and and these guys that are like millions of dollars, and they seem pretty happy, and who knows, right? Yeah, yeah, but like they didn't go to college, or maybe they dropped out, and it's like every time it's a story. It's like they didn't do what society and my grandma think is I have to do to be successful. Exactly. And so I think what what I'm trying to spotlight here is that you know, yeah, I've I failed at a lot of things, but seeing you succeed gives me hope to try again. Dude, that's and so I think that's kind of the point of this whole thing that I'm recording is yeah, is it's it it ramble and reflect. It might be a little corny or whatever it is, yeah, but it represents just having conversations with random people and feeling just a little bit less like you're you're doing it by yourself. Awesome. And and I love hearing this, and so that being said, I actually have something for you, and so I'm gonna send you something and I want you to play it out loud. Okay, and it's for you. So it's uh this is a different segment that I'm gonna start doing. Okay, and so I just I'm pretty excited for it. I sent you something. This is kind of uh just a little thing that I wanted to do. It's a it's a segment that I want to do in all of my episodes if possible. Uh I'm not gonna give it away, but if you could, I'm just gonna push play here. So here I don't want I don't want it.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:01

What's the say out loud to everybody?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:04

Um if they have my phone, yeah, my passcode.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

So I believe um so thank you for telling me that happiness is more important than any job or so important out of it. I couldn't have grown up a better life, and I'm so glad I get to experience everybody. I know that happiness and amount of love will continue for the rest of our long, healthy, amazing life together. Things are growing up for me every day, and I hope I always do the same for you for her. I can't wait to see what else we get to experience together. Okay, love you last. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

Bro, I had her send this over. Oh my god, man. Are you Are you kidding me? So when did you do it? The segment is specifically to send a message to the guest, and you happen to be the guest, and so I got uh uh your fiance to send a message uh kind of representing what she would say in the sense of like not being able to say something ever again, and giving you some sort of something to kind of hold on to and to feel some sort of way so that you can feel that you know other people like care and like wow, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:26

When did you when did you yeah, so how so how did you plan this ahead of time? Now it's like all it's all coming together.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:31

Like I I I reached out a couple days ago for a video with a whole like prompt and and kind of just guiding. Yeah, and then you know, she sent that over. And I and so I just I wanted to give that to you as kind of like a I didn't I mean that's not me giving it to you, but yeah, yeah. Set it up so that you get something in the sense of somebody cares, and this person is somebody that sees you every day, sees you at your lowest, sees you at your highest, and loves you. And wow, brilliant, and really is proud of you, and uh, even the small conversations that I had with her about it and about you, I it was not hard to get that, and so it's it's just something that is really cool, and I just it's cool to have.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:15

That's amazing. That's no words, yeah, no words. You outdid yourself with that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:21

I I uh I see the person that you are with, and I knowing you it couldn't have been a better pick. I mean, I know you guys aren't married yet, and this is not like a speech or something, but uh I am so happy to you know, you're saying you said something where it's like, you know, there's some friends or there's people that like are fake happy to your face. Yeah, yeah. Uh and I think I I've done it, you know, not maybe to you, but like, you know, I've done it for sure, where I'm like, ah, you know, whatever. And uh, and I don't like it, but you know, it's it's definitely it's there. Uh, but you know, some people, and I I'm saying this in the sense of like marriage and being together, I think a lot of times some relationships people tend to joke about or tend to have their opinion about and project and do whatever. Absolutely. And uh I can say from the moment that I knew that you guys were dating, I didn't know her in the sense of like just knowing her from school. Yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, and uh, and then when I got to hang out with you guys, it was like this is why is this it just it went so flow and so easy. And so I'm just I kind of want to have you touch base on that. How much that meant to you, how much like what does how did you guys meet? What was that like, and how does she then support like how does she support you? Like, is that like uh you're talking to her, or is it just like no matter what, you just feel the support?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:01

That's you know that segment that like just just hearing her voice it I hear every day, every single day, but hearing it like when you would least expect it was man, I wish I wish like I could flip, you know, flip it. It's an incredible idea that what you what you're doing. And just hearing that in this moment was it felt like it wasn't her, you know, like it I knew it was her, but I felt like I was hearing her from a place that like I can't reach her, you know, like I like this like you said, like you know, if she could only say one thing, you know, if that's how it felt, because it's a recording, it's it was extremely and I think it's representative of what you were saying we are, because the good, the bad, the ugly, the fun, everything, it's like I you know, she's she's there for me, and and that is huge, is especially with where I'm at in life too, because I can't turn to a coworker or someone else in my life. You know, I have of course my family as well, but now Sam is Sam is home, yeah, you know, like so it my whatever it may be, you know, my my doubts, my happiness, my worries, my anything. Yeah, she's there and it's it's a big role in in my life for sure to you know think about us as a family and think about her long term and I think what what she said in the message, which uh I blacked out, you know, halfway, halfway through, like it's just surreal. So it's yeah, very, very motivating to hear that and just like reflect, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:37

Yeah. Is there a a moment uh like the prompt to that is you know, there's people in this world that they go through their life and it may end early, it may end you know, you're seventy something and you have a heart attack, or maybe you're younger, maybe you know, like like we've experienced like suicide, like from friends and stuff. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like maybe people don't get to share things or to people that they love.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

And I wanted to take a moment and let somebody do that and give the opportunity. And that was kind of the the prompt, right? And and I think that it's hard. And I think that it can get corny in the sense of like, oh, like how do you how are you proud of this person? Yeah. But I don't know. I think for me, I think that I think that I be come off as uh I talk a lot, like I've said a couple times here. And and I think the reason that I do that is because it makes me feel a little bit less lonely. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Absolutely. Um and that's just me. I like I know some people don't work the same way, but for me, I even hearing that, I mean, I got choked up. Like I even if if even if she didn't say much, it was like it's just like somebody loves something. Like whatever. And I mean, but I cry over like a commercial or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:03

Oh, so do I, yeah, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:05

But what what is that? Like, are you an emotional person? How do you are you showing like you said you cried a couple of times for like you know, like for big stress moments and whatnot, but you know, how is it that representation in in your relationship here does that fade into other relationships for you? And and how do you react in those situations? Do you know what I'm saying? Like how do you on your worst day?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:36

I think I think what I've learned a lot from Sam and just the last however many eight years, something like that, together, like in in relationships, that has carried over is her willingness to to go out of the way, out of her way for people that she loves and cares about has showed me, and I've always been a a giving person and I want to help others, but seeing someone do it like ten times what I do is like man, you you gotta tell the people that you care about that you do, that you do care about them. Because, like you said, if if you don't talk, you don't know, you know, and like so it's it's it's really made me she's made me a better person for sure because when it comes to the people that I care about and and whatnot, that's that's all you really have at the end of the day, you know. Like without those people in your life, you know, your good friends, your family, your significant other, if you have one, like I mean, what are you? You know what I mean? So it's yeah, it's a blessing.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:42

I I think that for me, I I just I I get so uh I would say involved, so emotional in a lot of things, even like little things, like just just everyday things, I think. And and I just I I want to share that with people. And so I I appreciate you for having this conversation, for getting deep, for you know, talking about each and every one of these like things. Do you have any sort of message to give to anybody, to your mom, your dad, to your sister, Sam, uh future things. What what what is it that you could do or say if this was the last thing that you could say?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:32

It's tough. Especially. Yeah, and especially on camera, there's yeah, there's a lot, but I think the way I try to to live my life, um, and kind of base my decisions on that is it's not anything like insane or or whatnot, but if the if I can only say one thing to to anyone random that I know um or the entire audience, it's like if you as a person go to bed every single night knowing that you treated others how you want to be treated, yeah, that is a successful day. And I think a lot of people lose track of that in their daily life because they matter more than everyone else. Their traffic route matters more, their job matters more, their performance matters more, their money matters more.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:27

Everything. But I was raised to treat other people how I want to be treated, and in everything I do business, interactions on the street with a homeless person, if I were them, how would I want to be treated? And it, you know, one percent action can it it changes the world. One person. One person changes changes everything. So yeah. It's not it's specific to me. It's not anything that's like super grand, but if you if you ask yourself that at the end of the day, truthfully, off camera before you go to bed, yeah, did I treat everyone how I would want to be treated? Yeah. Whether they're rich, poor, male, female, black, white, anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:11

Treat people how you want to be treated.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:14

Yeah, it's pretty simple. We learn that every day.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:16

I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:16

When we're little kids, exactly both ways and treat everybody how you want to be treated.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:21

Yeah. I think that's a good message. It's true. You know, yeah. I think yeah, I I I enjoyed the conversation.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:29

I did too, man. Thank you for having me on. Yeah. Of course. No worries.